{"id":13147,"date":"2026-10-18T04:10:18","date_gmt":"2026-10-18T11:10:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/?page_id=13147"},"modified":"2026-10-18T04:11:15","modified_gmt":"2026-10-18T11:11:15","slug":"inside-part-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/golden-globe-race\/ggr-2026\/inside-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Inside part 2."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>MARKETING, DECISIONS, MISTAKES AND CONSEQUENCES\u2028<\/strong><br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/813825509_4038591389607889_8630327252935515025_n.png-1024x768.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"size-large wp-image-34899\" \/><strong>A third GGR!<\/strong> The Australian impresario who came up with the idea of inviting would-be retro sailing heroes to descend on Les Sables d&#8217;Olonne every four years and then hurtle (!) off to discover their fate on the oceans is at it again. The event should have been the ultimate road test for mechanical steering slaves: the skippers are there, of course, but the helm is emphatically not their department \u2013 at least not when the cameras are on scene to document the heroes in action. Not everything though has proceeded quite as envisaged! <\/p>\n<p><strong>Putting the cart before the horse<\/strong><br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/814453472_1053927563935670_1474720822615815931_n.png-1024x768.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"size-large wp-image-34901\" \/>Major marketing decisions always have serious implications for the manufacturers making them. The gulf between expectations of a windvane self-steering system in flotilla events and the service it has to perform in the Golden Globe Race could hardly be any wider, and the number and visibility of auxiliary rudder units in something like the ARC tells us nothing at all about how well they actually work on larger\/heavier vessels.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/4-Atlantik-Systeme-1024x653.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"408\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34926\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/1977Ahrensburgerstr2-Kopie-691x1024-1-202x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"202\" height=\"300\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-34932\" \/><strong>The laws of physics cannot be circumvented<\/strong>, not even with cold hard cash or offerings to the gods. They can in some instances be usefully manipulated, to a limited extent, with mechanisms such as levers, but auxiliary rudder systems (Windpilot produced 8,300 Atlantik Mk II\/III\/IV auxiliary rudder systems and Pacific Plus double rudder systems) will only ever be able to provide properly effective self-steering for boats up to about 36-38 ft in length. Their steering quality must inevitably suffer on larger\/heavier craft because, lacking the benefits of the servo effect, they simply cannot generate the necessary power. Eventually the line is crossed, control is lost and somebody&#8217;s power nap ends in a frantic scramble to restore order.\u2028<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Hydrovane-low-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34903\" \/>Ignoring this inconvenient reality, as a manufacturer might well be tempted to do, will not make it go away. Arranging things so that a particular product is present in conspicuously large numbers at flotilla events can certainly help muddy the waters though, especially with uncritical media reporting that allows dubious assumptions to develop and proliferate unchallenged. It is easy to see how a sailor might unthinkingly fit such a system on much too large a boat only to find performance at sea disappointing or worse. As the realisation sinks in, will the fact that the unit &#8220;at least&#8221; includes an emergency rudder provide some succour? That emergency rudder, remember, represents a condition of entry.<\/p>\n<p>There are competing priorities all over the place and not all sailors contemplating bluewater adventures will have the self-awareness to recognise when they genuinely understand why and to what end they are being sold a windvane self-steering system and when that understanding yet eludes them. It takes a brave soul, moreover, to revisit that decision once money has changed hands and the system has rooted itself to the transom: it&#8217;s there, it can be seen to be there, and exactly how it got there is a can of worms best left unopened! <\/p>\n<p><strong>John Curry<\/strong> set out his stall to target this segment of the market and his sales certainly picked up as a result. None of which exempts him from the principles that govern our business or the trade-offs they inevitably entail. How to reach potential customers, how to judge the likely effect on the bottom line of investment in publicity, boat shows, advertising and sponsoring, how to ensure the overall program has the capacity to build a favourable reputation for the brand within the community&#8230; These are just some of the unavoidable questions to be tackled. Electing to rely on direct marketing based on word of mouth eliminates many of the trade-offs inherent in traditional marketing, but while paid-for marketing is available to all (budget willing), word of mouth only works if their experiences with the product inspire the sailors using it to talk it up loudly and widely.<br \/>\nThe size of boat chosen\/permitted for the GGR happens (fortunately for<br \/>\nJohn Curry) to suit the Hydrovane, but this ultimate road test, which includes a prolonged spell in the Southern Ocean, shines a particularly bright spotlight on key design factors that can have weighty and possibly unwelcome implications for a brand.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Hydrovane design, yacht construction, transom strength, materials and transom reinforcement<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Muddying the waters? Not at all: every manufacturer has to face the facts and own the consequences of their decisions \u2013 consequences the market makes plain through the sailors who experience them at sea and report on them. For every business trying to sell windvane self-steering systems there comes a moment of truth. <strong>The Golden Globe Race has become the ultimate test, putting strengths and weaknesses on display for all to see and creating a minefield for manufacturer and organiser alike.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Don &#8220;banned&#8221; me from LSO<\/strong>. So obviously I made sure to be seen there. Much as it pained me (and pains me still), I even breached my own longstanding principles and presented all of my systems for the GGR free of charge rather than selling them. Apparently they call it &#8220;sponsorship&#8221;.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"cskS0XQDdP\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/peter-the-market\/windvane-politics\/the-royal-road\/\">The Royal Road<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cThe Royal Road\u201d \u2014 Windpilot Blog EN\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/peter-the-market\/windvane-politics\/the-royal-road\/embed\/#?secret=CqmQb0mfQF#?secret=cskS0XQDdP\" data-secret=\"cskS0XQDdP\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/IMG_1395-1024x768.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34910\" \/>I simply couldn&#8217;t resist the opportunity to find out whether all my ideas and conclusions would be vindicated in practice. Was I confident? Not so confident that I didn&#8217;t give each of the Windpilot sailors in LSO a spare plastic-wrapped Pacific delivered free to the cockpit. Seven boats across two editions of the GGR carried a reserve silent steering slave around the world and not a single unit saw the light of day. All but one came back to me as good as new, bar a few salt crystals on the packaging. The odd one out left with Abhilash in 2018, and consequently now rests at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.\u2028<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/42459664_2136897869896933_4302924109462896640_o.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-34909\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>THE MULTIPLE ROLLOVERS SUFFERED BY THURIYA SUPPLIED THE ULTIMATE VINDICATION OF MY DESIGN: THE PACIFIC SURVIVED THIS DISASTER ESSENTIALLY UNSCATHED<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"P5dRjElyX8\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/golden-globe-race\/ggr-2022\/abhilash-tomy\/\">Abhilash Tomy<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cAbhilash Tomy\u201d \u2014 Windpilot Blog EN\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/golden-globe-race\/ggr-2022\/abhilash-tomy\/embed\/#?secret=YjwC5V5v5y#?secret=P5dRjElyX8\" data-secret=\"P5dRjElyX8\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><br \/>\n<strong>Don\u00b4s Fluch und Segen der Wahl der richtigen Windsteueranlage! \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Don: self-appointed judge and jury for windvane self-steering system selection<\/strong> \u2028<\/p>\n<p>Don started out confident in his expertise. Has he had any second thoughts since? If so, he certainly cannot risk sharing them: talk the talk and one has to walk the walk. Don allowed himself to be swayed by money. Perhaps too much money? Anyway, at some point he rewrote the rules in a way that enables John Curry to market his Hydrovane systems to participants with a built-in advantage. It works like this: the manufacturer hands Don a hefty sum and the rules of the race then undergo a little tweaking such that all the sailors now require an emergency rudder \u2013 and Hydrovane just happens to sell an emergency rudder that very prominently ticks all the boxes! And nobody, it should be noted, is giving them away free to the heroes of the GGR. What a wonderful business model. <strong>How very practical.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Don, quite naturally, has strong opinions on the &#8220;ideal&#8221; system for the GGR. And quite naturally, he has no hesitation in sharing them with sailors eager for a place in his fleet. <strong>GGR sailors trusted to Don&#8217;s expertise; alternatives were never really in the running<\/strong>. I had to suffer the consequences of this arrangement, and I turned my back on the whole event in consequence.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Nonstop-Badewanne-1024x702.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"439\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34924\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"ml5zfIWnAa\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/windvane-politics\/\">Windvane politics<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cWindvane politics\u201d \u2014 Windpilot Blog EN\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/windvane-politics\/embed\/#?secret=1oVQPrAT1X#?secret=ml5zfIWnAa\" data-secret=\"ml5zfIWnAa\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>THE PARADOX<\/strong><br \/>\nJust how well does the case for demanding that long-keelers carry an emergency rudder hold up in practice? After all, yachts of this type afford the rudder excellent protection by their very nature. Curious&#8230; Then again, who could argue against rules introduced in the name of safety? The media certainly didn&#8217;t, and no questions were asked. <strong>The thing is, so far not a single boat in the GGR has reported main rudder damage.<\/strong> That obviously counts as good news in and of itself. It does though rather throw into question the great emphasis placed on emergency rudders given the disastrous knock-on effects of the policy for GGR sailors: main rudders may have had a trouble-free ride so far, but the same certainly cannot be said of the Hydrovane auxiliary rudder system or boats that have sailed with it (of which more later).<\/p>\n<p>The money invested in sponsoring Don quickly finds its way back into the manufacturer&#8217;s pocket in the form of direct system sales and the bountiful grist all the event publicity yields for the marketing mill. It certainly appears to have worked wonderfully with the ARC and Baja Ha-Ha flotilla races. The system provider who declines to toe the line and grease some palms faces strong headwinds, including, in the case of the ARC at least, being denied dockside access. It happened to me in Las Palmas. I recall renowned German circumnavigator Wilhelm Greiff casually asking me (while simultaneously pointing out a comical-looking bird passing overhead) <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>why I didn&#8217;t just hand over the \u00a35,000 World Cruising expected in exchange for access to the fleet.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/P1020994.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-34906\" \/>I was too stubborn, too proud, and too determined to let <a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/tec-news\/word-of-mouth\/\">word-of-mouth do its work<\/a>. I regard that as one of my better decisions: standing by one&#8217;s principles never feels better than when they turn out to be well-judged! On top of all that, I was frankly flabbergasted that the organizer of such a prestigious race could be &#8220;bought&#8221;.<br \/>\nThere is simply no comparison between the GGR and the cruise-in-company flotilla events put on for the enjoyment of pleasure-seeking leisure sailors. The two differ in just about every way \u2013 not least their attitude to jeopardy.<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Moni-Reparatur-1024x772.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"483\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34907\" \/>I believe the demands of the GGR are such that only systems unencumbered by overload protection components should be used. When a sacrificial component fulfils its destiny and breaks, it leaves the sailor in immediate peril. Replacing the failed item means juggling multiple pieces of hardware while dangling head-down over the back of the boat, which is a tricky enough manoeuvre at the best of times. How is a solo sailor to take on that challenge when keeping the bow pointing forwards and the mast pointing skywards demands hands at the helm? Susie Goodall ran into trouble twice in the 2018 GGR due to the overload sleeve on her Monitor breaking and eventually had to seek refuge on a nearby tanker.<\/p>\n<p>The Aries too found its limits, demonstrating in the process that the supposed <a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/peter-the-market\/aries\/aries-the-bad-weather-problem-no-basis-in-fact\/\">bad weather problem invented by Peter Mathiessen<\/a> actually affected just the one model of windvane self-steering system: his own (as everyone can now plainly see, my Windpilots, the particular target of his fanciful marketing claim, never did have a bad weather problem).<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"mxDZEkydci\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/windvane-report\/\">Windvane Report<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cWindvane Report\u201d \u2014 Windpilot Blog EN\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/en\/columns\/windvane-report\/embed\/#?secret=WbkYqKztP7#?secret=mxDZEkydci\" data-secret=\"mxDZEkydci\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>My observations and experiences of the GGR 2018 drove me to write <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Peter-Foerthmann\/dp\/3347330811\/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&#038;qid=1622124246&#038;refinements=p_27%3APeter+Foerthmann&#038;s=books&#038;sr=1-4\">the book Windvane Report<\/a>, which has since been translated <a href=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/books\/\">into six languages<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>My conclusion is that for the GGR, systems with overload protection components cannot match those systems whose design makes a shear pin or similar unnecessary. The servo-pendulum rudder on my designs, for example, is free to swing through about 270\u00a0degrees, an enormous range that means it never reaches any sort of destructive limit. This aspect, I would suggest, represents one of the principal keys to success in the GGR. The seven boats so far that have taken on the race with a Windpilot have certainly vindicated my own design principles.\u2028<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/20170322_112243.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"562\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-34913\" \/>Regrettably neither John Curry nor Don McIntyre has properly considered\/comprehended the vulnerability baked into the Hydrovane design. The shear pin on the auxiliary rudder is too low down to be reached safely from the boat. Jean-Luc Van Den Heede, for example, recognised that this could be a problem and consequently took a little inflatable dinghy with him on Matmut for his circuit of the globe.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The consequences of the race organiser&#8217;s misjudgement continue to accumulate<\/strong>. Or have I got it all wrong? Is it part and parcel of this media-focused non-stop heroic spectacular that bad things have to happen, indeed are expected to happen, to keep the headlines coming? That&#8217;s not a notion I really want to entertain! <\/p>\n<p>Thinking about it in these terms, I suppose I was only half-surprised by Don in LSO. Had the importance of windvane self-steering somehow faded? Did product quality no longer matter? Was it now only about personal value creation, about the benefits for the sponsor, which was ideally to be spared anything the slightest bit unfavourable and actively advantaged wherever possible (for example by ensuring its competitors were denied any positive publicity)?<\/p>\n<p>His control over the reporting of the event gave Don a powerful lever to pull. He had no apparent qualms about exploiting it either, which is why I started blogging about the GGR 2018 soon after the start. I could see Don enthusiastically seizing every opportunity to punish an impudent competitor of his sponsor who had dared to venture into what was supposed to be Hydrovane&#8217;s territory.\u2028<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/IMG_1740-1024x768.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34915\" \/><br \/>\nDon, alias Napoleon, treated me to a blast of his icy breath in the GGR\u00a02018. On the dockside in LSO, with the TV cameras rolling, he commanded me to scrape my trademark off the Windpilot windvanes and insisted that I demonstrate the installation of my SOS emergency rudder on video in the presence of witnesses.\u2028<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Metier-Interim-1024x687.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"429\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-34914\" \/>No opportunity, however tenuous, passed unexploited: &#8220;Windpilot Sailor Istvan Koper reported problems with his Windpilot&#8221; read one quote that an unquestioning media quickly disseminated around the world. Curiously (as if!), the fact that these problems were very much of Istavan&#8217;s own making never featured. The sailing press pack naturally had no complaints about the regular diet of juicy tales served up ready for it to copy and paste, or indeed about the flights some were invited to enjoy. Fearful that my brand might even then still be gaining too much exposure that couldn&#8217;t be turned against it, official communications started referring to &#8220;Wind Pilot&#8221; \u2013 two words \u2013 rather than &#8220;Windpilot&#8221;. Is Google that easily fooled?<\/p>\n<p>When it came to the GGR, I seemed to be on the wrong side of the press by design. It could hardly be much worse for someone like me who was counting \u2013 dependent even \u2013 on objective reporting. Abhilash and Jeremy nonetheless convinced me to risk it all over again in 2022 and both crossed the finish line wreathed in smiles. Abhilash did create a few interesting moments for himself on account of his unshakable belief that \u2013 whatever the weather \u2013 nothing makes a Rustler go faster than more (and more) canvas aloft. The rudder blade on his transom ornament took exception to the forces thus unleashed, so he eventually replaced it with the shank of his Fortress anchor. He kept it all together though, and so did his boat and his Windpilot, and that is really all that matters!<br \/>\n\u2028To be continued\u2026<br \/>\nHamburg, 28 September 2026\u2028<\/p>\n<p>Peter Foerthmann<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/windpilot.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/IMG_1780-300x225.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-34916\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>MARKETING, DECISIONS, MISTAKES AND CONSEQUENCES\u2028 A third GGR! 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