Sehr geehrter Herr Förthmann
hier sende ich Ihnen einen YouTube link Ihrer Windpilot Pacific im Einsatz bei einer Atlantiküberquerung.
Hat immer bestens geklappt.
Das Schiff ist eine Reinke Hydra SC, wahrscheinlich gegen 20 Tonnen schwer. Befestigung an der kippbaren Badeplattform. Sicher nicht ideal, aber es hat immer funktioniert.
Mit freundlichem Gruss
Klaus Tischhauser
SV September, Klaus Tischhauer GER
SPIEGEL #19 / 2011 Laura Dekker WEIT DRAUSSEN
Die Niederländerin Laura Dekker will als jüngste Seglerin die Welt umrunden. Jugendschützer versuchten, die Rekordjagd zu verhindern, doch nun ist die 15-Jährige mit ihrer Yacht „Guppy“ unterwegs. Die Eltern werden von Gewissensbissen geplagt.
Hier der SPIEGEL BERICHT Laura Dekker
SV Venus, Uwe Roske GER
im Januar 2010 sind wir mit Ihrem Windpilot sehr gut über den Atlantik gekommen und freuen uns, dass wir gerade an Sie geraten sind, als es um den Kauf der Windsteueranlage ging. In diesem Jahr benutzen wir die Anlage nicht (außer im Juni für die Strecke von Puerto Rico nach Curacao), aber im nächsten Jahr wieder, wenn wir in den Pazifik gehen werden.
Wenn wir die Windsteueranlage benutzen, müssen wir die Flagge einholen. Trotzdem möchte ich – wie man das immer mal bei anderen sieht – “Flagge zeigen” und die deutschen Farben auf der Windfahne haben. Andererseits warnen Sie davor, das Gewicht der Windfahne zu verändern. Wie gewichtig ist dieser Hinweis? Darf ich Farbe oder Folie aufbringen?
Mit bestem Dank und freundlichen Grüßen aus der Karibik
Dr. Uwe Roske
www.SYVenus.de
What ever happened to boat building? Part 4
Hello again!
Without wishing to mourn unduly the passing of traditional boat-building skills or to brush aside several decades’ worth of developments in yacht design, I believe we can safely agree on the following:
modern industrial production methods have greatly reduced the amount of effort, as measured in hours of work, involved in building a sailing boat (manufacturers would otherwise have little interest in mass-produced yachts – the scale of the potential value added is what sets the big players salivating).
It seems rather curious then that while the automotive industry, for example, generally makes no secret of the number of hours of work required to manufacture different cars, the amount of time taken to build a boat never gets an airing in public. We have to content ourselves with speculation – and we speculate that it probably does not take very long at all. Also striking is the fact that while modern production yachts progress through the yard very much faster than their predecessors, the price we pay for them has not fallen at the same rapid rate.
Today’s volume manufacturers manage to maintain extensive ranges and unveil new models frequently despite selling but a modest number of each design. We can deduce from this that, thanks to modern moulding techniques, they do not have to shift many units of a new product before moving into profit. How else could they carry on launching new products at the current breathless pace?
With the price of a new boat now broadly comparable with that of a fairly serious piece of real estate, I do not think it unreasonable to raise the question of just how well today’s craft hold their value. While marketing can affect this to an extent, sailors are very well attuned to more concrete factors – notably the quality of their floating beauties as verified in long-term use and, of course, simple supply and demand – and it tends to be these that determine the price for which pre-loved (or not) boats eventually change hands.
Some would apparently like us to believe a yacht has a maximum life expectancy after which the scrap heap beckons, but as sailors our heart, our head and our experience all tell us otherwise. Consider what happens in other areas. When it comes to a house, for example, the principles we apply are quite different. We more or less take it as gospel that in the long term, the price of a home in bricks and mortar moves in one direction only: upwards.
Cars, in contrast, begin losing value and integrity to depreciation and rust from the moment they leave the showroom and only the passing of the years reveals which models have the wherewithal to bounce back as classic collector’s items and which go for scrapping ready to do it all again in some other form.
How the value of our floating assets evolves in practice largely comes down to build quality, but it’s hard to imagine any sailor accepting that his or her boat would be ‘sailed-out’, as it were, after a certain number of years and then being prepared to accept any price on the grounds that anything is better than nothing for an ‘end-of-life’ product.
Sailors have a highly refined sense of value when it comes to their boats. However finding a potential buyer with a similar view of worth is proving especially difficult for many sellers at the moment and while those of stout heart can usually manage a polite refusal, responding to a perceived derisory offer for a boat in which you have invested so much of yourself can be a painful business (such situations are handled more dispassionately in the USA, where sellers seem able to accept or refuse offers freely without any sense of personal insult – emotions play no role here and tears are seldom shed).
But back to the matter in hand: the better its quality (which equates more or less to how well it is built), the better a yacht will hold its value. The venerable old-timers already enjoy a strong market and the new classics are following a similar path. Mass-produced GRP yachts, in contrast, are available in huge numbers second hand, in most cases at broadly similar prices, but sales have become increasingly rare and the market has just about ground to a halt. Deep price cuts now represent pretty much the only way to attract a buyer. For months my head has been absorbing scarcely believable facts about boat sales and the prices actually paid for thoroughly respectable yachts. These are good times indeed for sailors on the hunt for the perfect steed: buyers reign supreme. Well, almost. Extraordinarily, the market for aluminium yachts seems to march to the beat of a different drummer entirely.
I am sure sailors of all persuasions understand that aluminium hulls are in a completely different league when it comes to build strength and durability. They are just inherently more robust in all respects than production GRP boats.
Anyone harbouring any lingering doubts should spend a few minutes browsing the photo archive of insurer PANTAENIUS, which gives a fairly compelling insight into the toughness of boats that fall foul of extreme weather, get too friendly with another boat or otherwise overindulge in off-piste activities.
Almost all of the metal yachts built in Germany come from small-scale builders with little or no production automation, so hull costs alone tend towards the eye-watering and the price of a finished boat is seldom less than staggering. One-offs aside, Germany is quite insignificant internationally as a producer of aluminium yachts; in fact the only German company to have achieved significant numbers is Reinke, whose hard chine designs can also be built by fearless DIY-ers (just how many projects there are languishing half-finished at the end of gardens all over Germany after would-be boat-owners found the work harder than anticipated, the costs more than they could stomach or the looming prospect of divorce too unattractive to contemplate nobody knows, but it’s likely to be more than a few). Self-build projects offer little prospect of adding value, as no matter how well they may have performed in use, home-made boats always bear the stigma of amateur construction and the associated fear that perhaps not everything has ended up quite as it should. Building a boat represents a much more complex undertaking than something like building a house and many sailors have found their self-build dreams in tatters sooner or later because they embarked on the adventure without having had the scale of the task made clear to them.
Although Germany has several manufacturers capable of holding their own internationally in the field of production GRP boats, it has seen little if any significant innovation in the production of aluminium hulls. We need look no further than Holland though for a good example of what can be achieved.
The Dutch have quite a number of yards that have transferred the production methods learned in ship-building to yacht construction: computer systems control the entire process, from lofting whole sections to cutting out the various components (using plasma cutters) and shaping and finishing them, which makes it possible to produce a finished hull with minimal tolerances and very smooth lines. The result is yachts with a perfect surface finish that need no more than sand-blasting; filling and painting are seldom required.
The traditional frame designs and spacings used in aluminium hull construction of course make it enormously strong too. Even grounding, encounters with ice and other sleepless-night-inducing impact scenarios need not necessarily be a problem for a well-found aluminium yacht. The fact that hulls built in seawater-resistant 5083 grade aluminium do not even need painting means they are ideally prepared for the knocks and dings of everyday use – and further underlines just how different they are to modern eggshell-thin GRP equivalents, which have little in the way of load-bearing structure and seem decidedly fragile by comparison.
Aluminium even has advantages over steel, as Jimmy Cornell, who has been around the world with both, neatly summarises: on his steel boat, the paintbrush used for touching up after the bumps and scrapes of harbour life seldom had a chance to dry, whereas errant helms careless enough to make contact with his aluminium hull received nothing but a smile and “Have a nice day!” After ten years and something like 80,000 nautical miles of sailing, his OVNI 430 still looked fresh as the dew and eager to set out adventuring again with her new owner.
Anyone who has seen how production OVNI yachts take shape at the yard in Les Sable d’Olonnes will understand very well how they have come to be so popular. They are only moderately more expensive, relatively-speaking, than GRP boats, demand and lead times are enormous and the second-hand market is quite stable, as if there had been no financial crisis at all. France has always produced a large number of aluminium yachts, in part perhaps because Eric Tabarly adopted the material early on for his Pen Duicks, but also because French yachtsmen and -women tend to sail more, harder and in tougher conditions. France, remember, is different. A true nation of seafarers, the French, seadogs and landlubbers alike, revel in the record-breaking exploits of their sailors and turn out in huge numbers to support and honour the country’s nautical heroes with a passion reserved in most other countries only for football.
Chatam, Chassiron, Dalu, Damien, Garcia, Levrier de Mer, Madeira, Maracuja, Meta, Romanee, Trireme, Trismus, Trisbal, Reve Tropique, Via: largely unheard of in the wider world, all of these highly robust yachts – some available in steel only, many in steel or aluminium and some in just aluminium – have an extensive history of bluewater voyaging, are lively and long-lived and find themselves much in demand.
German circumnavigators Astrid and Wilhelm Greiff, long-standing friends of Jimmy Cornell and representatives of World Cruising, completed their lap around the world some 20 years ago in a French Via 42, a boat whose builder subsequently ran into financial difficulties when its great attention to detail turned out to be unprofitable. Via centreboarders, with their skeg- and heel-mounted rudder, are today a highly sought-after rarity.
One of the peculiar features of the aluminium boat-building scene is that aluminium boats very seldom make an appearance at boat shows. Why should they? It’s not as if the yards are short of orders… While this alone speaks volumes, it is also probably worth mentioning again that the cost of attending boat shows, like other marketing and sales costs, passes straight into the purchase price. Hence a manufacturer that can market its yachts effectively without having to stump up for boat shows can put more of its revenue into delivering a high-quality product. Painful it may be to admit, but logically it makes perfect sense.
NORDSEE yachts, all of them built by Dübbel & Jesse on the island of Norderney on the German North Sea coast, enjoy legendary status in Germany and are highly prized in the second-hand market. Few ever come up for sale, however: once acquired, they tend to become family heirlooms, with successive generations of sailors appreciating their outstanding quality and building a firm conviction that after this, any other boat would be a backwards step. Unfortunately the production of Nordsee yachts ended with the tragic death of one of the yard’s proprietors, Herr Dübbel, and today BENJAMINS in Emden, close to the Dutch border, is probably one of the few German yards still building aluminium yachts professionally in any significant numbers. Skorpion yachts from the FELTZ YACHT in Hamburg also have a solid reputation in the bluewater community. Feltz still works in both aluminium and steel, although most of its business in recent years has come from public authorities and the commercial shipping sector.
The way that aluminium and steel boat-building has fallen out of favour in Germany cannot be explained by any lack of demand, but it certainly does take entrepreneurial vision to guide the development of a yard in such a way as to permit the production of attractive yachts from good designers using the latest construction methods at a price customers will be willing to pay. The Dutch have a thriving and technologically advanced boat-building industry capable of fabricating eye-catching vessels at a reasonable price, so it is no wonder we immediately look to our tulip-raising neighbours whenever the conversation turns to metal yachts. Visit Kooi in Makkum or Koopmans in Sneek and see just how professionally they go about their work and I think you will immediately appreciate why those who sail them have no hesitation in giving these wonderfully robust yachts their full trust right from day one.
Peter Foerthmann
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SV Snowgoose, Walter Stegmüller GER
Hallo Herr Förthmann,
Grüsse aus Stralsund.
Windpilot hat sich super bewährt.
Bei der Überfahrt von Fehmarn nach Wismar hatten wir sehr böigen Wind (6-7) und Wellen (ca. 2-3m) von der Seite.
Ich muss sagen, besser steuern hätte ich selbst auch nicht können.
Bei der Nachtfahrt von Warnemünde nach Stralsund war unser „Jürgen“ (Windpilot) 10 Stunden ohne Korrektur am steuern –einfach super !!!
Wo ich noch Probleme habe ist bei sehr schwachem achterlichem Wind. Ich schaffe es teilweise nicht eine Einstellung hinzubekommen, um einen stabilen Kurz zu bekommen. (gibt es hier einen Trick?)
Können sie mir sagen, wieviel Wind der Windpilot mindestens braucht, um eine stabile Funktion zu erhalten?
Im Anhang noch Bilder der Snow Goose + endgültige Befestigung der Halterung.
LG
Walter Stegmüller
Hier geht´s zum blog
Moin nach Stralsund, und besten Dank fuer die Fotos sowie den Bericht.
Leichtwindsensibilitaet bekommen wir gemeinsam auch noch hin: schlage vor, Sie arrangieren mal die Leinenuebertragung und machen Fotos von achtern bis zum Rad, dann bin ich quasi an Bord bei Ihnen…und kann besser beraten.
Beste Gruesse von der Schlei…
Peter Foerthmann
SV Nele, Eva+Horst Bressel GER and Chico the tiger
LIveaboards since now 11 years Eva and Horst are currently in Sint Maarten Ned. Ant. After completion of a circumnavigation on their previous 30ft Najade SV Joshua in the eighties, they made a total refit of the same old boat in Mainz Germany to start again westwards. They changed boat some years ago and are living on their current VANGUARD 1350. Horst is specialist in watermaker and official rep. of WaterCraft Watermakers
The next generation – Kids in Kisten
kein Aprilscherz: am 21.April um 12 Uhr fiel der Startschuss zur weltgrössten OPTI Regatta am Gardasee. Ein Ereignis, dass vom veranstaltenden Segelclub FRAGLIA DELLA VELA RIVA bereits zum 29. Mal durchgeführt wurde und rekordverdächtige 855 Teilnehmer am Start fand.
855 segelhungrige Kids aus 40 Nationen, die mit ihren Sponsoren – d.h. Eltern – mit Zelten, Schneckenhäusern, also Wohnmobilen und 350 Schlauchbooten zur lückenlosen Überwachung – und Bergung – angereist waren.
Mitmachen konnte traditionell jeder, der beim Opti vorn und achtern unterscheiden, schwimmen und beidhändig das Boot beim Segeln in Starkwind mit dem Ösfass lenzen konnte.
Toughe Kids, die das ausgehalten haben, denn der Garda See ist ein Revier, dass Nerven und Material fordert und zerfledert, wenn´s nicht akurat auf Stand gewesen ist.
Mit dabei die Essener Segeldame Lisa Mai, Baujahr 1998 und ihrer Yacht Unsinkbar II GER 11405, der sie haarscharf noch nicht entwachsen – die mit ihrer Regierung angereist und auf dem Wasser lückenlos vom elterlichen Schatten begleitet wurde.
SV Nostromo, Peter Schwab CH
Dies ist die Geschichte eines Seglers, der seine Windpilot Pacific Anlage zweimal kaufen musste, denn die erste Pacific kam nur bis Las Palmas de Gran Canaria – dann wechselte sie – ungewollt und unfreiwillig – das Schiff – und steuerte hernach ein anderes Schiff – westwärts. Sie war von einem – wohl holländischen – Dieb in Geiselhaft genommen worden, der zuvor monatelang nach einer gebrauchten Occasion Ausschau gehalten – und darüber wohl ungeduldig geworden – und am falschen Schiff dann zugegriffen hatte. Peter Schwab jedenfalls entdeckte nach Rückkehr aus der Heimat sein Schiff zwar vollständig, aber ohne Heckverzierung in der Marina von Las Palmas…. und reklamierte den mangelnden Steuerautomaten, d.h. erhielt Ersatz zum TrostpreisPreis, den er seither Tag und Nacht bewacht – oder anders herum. Peter hat zwischenzeitlich das Revier gewechselt und schwimmt zwischen karibischen Eilanden hin und her – hat stets gute Laune und segelt auf der Erlebnis Wolke….
SV Papy-Boom, Jean Francois Brodin FRA
Irlande Ecosse mai-juin 2011
« Gale warning : Thames, Dover, Wight, Portland, Plymouth, Lundy, Fastnet… »
et je suis depuis deux jours aux Scilly, à St Mary’s, attendant de meilleures conditions pour continuer vers l’Irlande.
Parti de Lorient, avec « belle mer et bon vent », après le sympathique « visu » de Hisse et Ho à Port Louis.
Bonjour Peter!
j’ai installé le régulateur est suis en voyage en Irlande :
Comme vous pourrez voir, je suis très content, ça change la vie par rapport au pilote électrique, même si ça ne remplace pas vraiment.
Juste une petite critique : les poulies de renvoi devraient être à billes, elles ne tournent pas bien et usent le cordage : je vais les remplacer dès que possible.
Cordialement
Jean Francois BRODIN
SV Jöke, Edith + Michael Zahn GER
SV Jöke, a german built Phantom 38, on her way around the world… for 8 years
Mit Spi über die Nordsee und die Windpilot hält Kurs!
Wibo 945 with Windpilot Pacific, please follow her blog here
April – May – conversion winter to summer
Barbeque not ready yet – still deep winter – eventhough spring is around the corner
Working on deck is possible – outside however – not
Decks hardware prepared for hard work
Some confusion on deck and around – too many other boats – at least
A bit of cleaning – quickly done…
Underwater Icebergs need some paint and upgrade
Dreaming about working at boats is slightly different rather than the work itself…
Dreaming about Kobenhagen – perhaps the trip of this summer?
Spring is in front of any door – sometimes not really
At least the Captain is prepared for his duties…
As the crew nearly always is…
All safety equipment in good working order
And the blind passenger ready for new challenges – even on a move
SV Gwen, Alain Guennou FRA
Dear Peter,
as I promised some 17 years ago, I send you the pictures of the installation WINDPILOT PACIFIC 1994, on my new sailing boat ALUBAT OVNI30.
The system is working very well, like usual since 1994 on my former boat.
But, I have a little problem with the DELRIN bearing part #75, because since 1994 when I am not on my boat, I have the used to remove the rudder fork and the windvane shaft, for to avoid damage by other boat in the marina on a river with strong flood, so after 17 years of UV sun exposition this part #75 is destroyed leaving in dust. Now I put a little bag for to protect from the sun, but it’s too late.
So can you send part #75. Thank you in advance.
Best regards.
Alain GUENNOU
SV Swantje, Rainer Wäsch GER
Hallo Herr Förthmann,
nach der viel zu langen Winterpause habe ich am Mittwoch 27. April mit Unterstützung von Vereinskameraden endlich die erste Fahrt mit der neu installierten Windpilot Pacific unternommen.
Kurz gesagt: Für´s erste bin begeistert !
Hier als “Dankeschön” ein von mir produziertes YouTube-Video:
EMKA29 mit Windpilot Pacific
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4oVeucP6g&feature=player_embedded
welches ich auf meiner Homepage eingebunden habe.
Auf unserem geplanten Norwegentörn mit Swantje gelingen mir unter Umständen noch ein paar spektakuläre Aufnahmen im Zusammenhang mit der Pacific.
Bis dann…
Mit bestem Gruß
Rainer Wäsch
SV Pjotter, Martha + Kees Slager NL
We got a message from our friends in America that they have received a spare part from Windpilot. Thank you very much for sending this part. Your service is excellent!
I have made some pictures of the windpilot but without the new spare part. When I have the new spare part ( half May) then I can make new pictures. The pictures we can’t send to you because we have not good internet in this part of the world where we are sailing now. We have been in Colombia, Panama and Costa Rica and yesterday we arrived in Cuba. As soon as we have good internet we will send the pictures to you.
We also have a blog where we describe the adventures and stories of our trip.
Here is the site of SV Pjotter
Thank you very much again. I am very satisfied with my windpilot.
Kind regards from Kees Slager SY Pjotter a BREEHORN 44
SV Janila, Jochen Beusker DE
Blauwassergeeigneter Stahlbau GLACER 40 mit hydraulischem Schwertl ist nach vom Erstbesitzer und Erbauer zu verkaufen. Hier sind die Details
SV Jessamy, Roderick Innes, UK
After sailing his beloved SV Jessamy, a RUSTLER 36, Roddy handed his boat over to some friend. One of them Jeremy Cobban contacted me some time ago:
Peter,
Having sailed a friends Rustler 36 “Jessamy” with your excellent self steering gear for many years, a group of us wish to show their appreciation of the owner’s generosity by having a 1/2 hull model of it made to present to him. I have a man to do the model and the boat drawings but need details of the windpilot, presumably a Pacific, to make the model specific and authentic. Problem, the boat is laid up with only the bracket visible and I don’t want to alert the owner to our plans by asking him to fish out the vanes etc to get measurements. Have searched my photos but nearly all from the boat not of the boat with it rigged. Is it possible you have a simple sketch/drawing, if not dimensioned, from which I can take approximate dimensions? I cannot praise the performance of your product too highly on every point of sail and all weathers, even with spinnaker up and a quartering sea though being a long keel tiller driven boat does help! A sales blurb with dimensions of the vanes would be ideal. Email or mail to Jeremy Cobban, Fernhill Farmhouse, Mill Lane, Titchfield, Hants. PO15 5RB